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Impeachment Trial 2 months 2 weeks ago #3386680

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Back in Pelosi’s district of San Francisco which implemented the needle program, which is intended to reduce disease transmission among drug users, gave out 5.8 million needles last year. That is an increase of nearly half a million from the year before. Sad to see Pelosi is more motivated to hand out souvenir pens then removing fecal matter and spent needles from the streets of the 12th District she represents.
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I don't get it, please explain.
First there was all this hoohaa about Russian interference in the last election and some people got into serious trouble over that.
I assume that's not acceptable behaviour?
Given that, surely one might shy away from repeating such errors/crimes. Simple thinking surely, but then Trump goes and does similar with Ukraine. Is he simple or what?

Now all the blatant lies, silencing witnesses, dirty counter attacks.... shameful behaviours, .... Republicans willing to say any old blather just to maintain power. It's sickening even as commonly seen from the other side of the planet. Lift your game US.

Regardless, Trump will get off given the big Republican Senate majority, but it won't be forgotten. I'm sure Trump will rant and rave afterwards about his vindication, but mud sticks.
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Donald J. Trump 7:47 AM - 20 Jan 2020

"They didn’t want John Bolton and others in the House. They were in too much of a rush. Now they want them all in the Senate. Not supposed to be that way!"

Adam Schiff 9:30 AM - 20 Jan 2020

"No, Mr. President, we did ask John Bolton to testify. You ordered him not to, and blocked others, like Mick Mulvaney.
All Americans know what a fair trial includes documents and witnesses. What are you hiding?"

When was the last time trump didn't lie?

It seems to me that the only thing he does is lying.

It is so beyond my comprehension, to hear trump and his cult always repeating the same lies and trump and his cronies are pushing this false narrative on the gullible and ill informed.

He knows he's guilty but won't admit it, republicans and his cult know that too. No person in the history of trials ever said,”i don't want key witnesses to testify on my behalf because they will exonerate me”.
If he had nothing to hide he would let these people testify. A trial always have witnesses and documents, otherwise it's a cover up.

If you think that McConnell wants to block all witnesses from testifying because he think trump is innocent, you are a special kind of stupid.

As from right now, we will have a pretend farce trial with reporters in cages and only the government viewpoint from the room. It seems to me that I have seen this before. Not in this country, of course, but in other dictatorships. This administration seems to love cages. Cages for children, cages for protesters, cages for reporters. The excuse given for the use of these cages is safety. The real reason is keeping any information other than the trump view from the American people.
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What is an ´oath´ worth, these days?

The oath senators just took at the start of the impeachment trial is essentially meaningless.

Chief Justice John Roberts administered an oath to all 100 senators on Thursday, overseeing as they swore to „do impartial justice“ during President Donald Trump’s Senate impeachment trial.

But dozens of senators on both sides of the aisle have already promised to break that oath. Chief among them is Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Every senator solemnly swore „that in all things appertaining to the trial of the impeachment of Donald John Trump, president of the United States, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws, so help me God.“


What is an ´Oath´?

"a promise, especially that you will tell the truth in a law court:
Medieval knights took an oath of allegiance/loyalty to their lord.
The witness placed her hand on the Bible and took the oath (= promised to tell the truth)

be under/on oath
to have formally promised to tell the truth:
dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/oath



"In the highest sense, as in a court of justice, "an oath is a reverent appeal to God in corroboration of what one says," Abbott Law Dict.; an affidavit is a sworn statement made in writing in the presence of a competent officer; an adjuration is a solemn appeal to a person in the name of God to speak the truth.

An oath is made to man in the name of God; a vow, to God without the intervention, often without the knowledge, of man.

What does this make the republicans?

Oathbreakers. People who make a mock of a promiss they made to their god.
People who betrays or deserts their religion

Fine people, very fine people.
(Havent we heard that before from the oath-breaker-in-chief?)
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Serena77 wrote: Trumps' pens sold online were a gag,


Of course they were, Serena. Just a gag.

I wonder what excuse some people would think of if it was their daughter grabbed by the p*ssy by trump?
Or it would be their child or spouse being shot at 5th Avenue by trump?

Since these people find and excuse and/or far fetched explanation for anything this Oathbreaker does I am sure they wiull come up with somthing...

Fact however is, pens or no pens, trump is impeached.

And his little friends from his party will become Oathbreakers. In the name of the god, in who´s name they pledged to speak the truth..
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More lies...when are they going to stop? :huh:

Lev Parnas joins a long list, including Gordon Sondland, James Comey, Paul Manafort, Vladimir Putin, Michael Cohen, and more, of people trump claims not to know.

Trump repeatedly and vigorously denied knowing Parnas, after he made the explosive claim that the so called president was fully aware of his actions in Ukraine.

Trump said that he doesn’t know Parnas at all, and dismissed the existence of photos of him and Parnas together.
You may take one picture with many different people but you don’t take many pictures with one person then claim to not know them :S

Also, trump said he had no knowledge of a May 2019 letter from Giuliani to Zelensky, a letter that that was turned over by Parnas and released by lawmakers last week.
In the letter, Giuliani asked for a meeting with Zelensky as he was seeking investigations that could boost trump domestic political interests. And Giuliani made clear that he was acting with trump “knowledge and consent” and in his capacity as a “personal” attorney for the president.

Apparently his strategy of “deny and deflect” works very well for him. Just look at the lengths his enablers are going to cover up his misdeeds.
Trump doesn't "think" the people in his cult are stupid, he knows for an absolute fact that they are because they have been believing his lies for the last 3 1/2 years.
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Yes, let it begin! And as the GOP continues to try to preserve this President's position despite every lie, every coverup, every threat, every devious underhanded plot, every raciist, mysogynistic, and childish tweet, his obvious lack of intellect and education, every narcissistic brag and boast despite it being untrue,, and his consistent failure to take counsel, all of which has transformed the GOP into almost an anti-Constitutional CLUB or at least a bare hint of what it used to be - may he finally be held to account,to bear the legacy of impeached AND removed from office President for the rest of American history. As he continues to dodge one bullet after another and allows his former personal advisors/s***ups to go to jail in his stead - please let us see him receive the due that his crude and illegal behavior demands!
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The crude and repugnance is on the part of the Dems headed by Pelosi. It might be tempting to assume she is coming as unglued as her dentures. The problem, of course, is the utter buffoonery of the entire charade from the very beginning. The independent voters who will determine the outcome of the next election see this whole circus as the Animal House Impeachment. Adam Schiff, well.. his hapless antics are the stuff of slapstick and buffoonery. If it can go wrong, it will......for the Democrats !
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And again, you can't come up with a single fact other then calling names.

What did Pelosi and Democrats did wrong? They impeached trump following the rules of the Constitution of the United States.

Can you say Trump, McConnell, Barr, Ghaham and all the republicans are following the Constitution?

In just three decades, trump and his businesses have been involved in more then 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court. The topics of the legal cases include contract disputes, defamation claims, and allegations of sexual harassment.

Republicans tried very hard to dig up dirt on the Clinton Foundation. They didn't find anything...
But what about Trump Foundation? Founds misused, self-dealing and tax evasion, so much so that New York Attorney General imposed restrictions on trump should he join another charity as director and mandatory training for the three elder trump children.

Do you really think that your guy, the one that had to pay $25 millions for running a fake university and had to pay $2 millions for running a fraudulent charity really wanted to root out corruption in Ukraine?
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from Newsweek --- SurveyUSA asked 4,096 registered voters whether witnesses with firsthand knowledge should be allowed to testify, with 71 percent of Republicans, 93 percent of Democrats, and 81 percent of Independents saying witnesses should be allowed to testify. Only 15 percent of Republicans said that they should not be allowed to testify, while 4 percent of Democrats, and 7 percent of Independents said they shouldn't. Only 3 percent of Democrats were unsure, with 12 percent of Independents and 14 percent of Republicans answering not sure.

McConnell released a resolution outlining a plan for Trump's impeachment trial late Monday night that did not guarantee witness testimony. Earlier in January, McConnell said he planned to follow a similar model to that of President Bill Clinton's impeachment trial. "What was good enough for President Clinton is good enough for President Trump," McConnell said, according to The New York Times.

McConnell's office did not immediately respond to Newsweek's request for comment.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer called McConnell's resolution a "national disgrace" on MSNBC's Morning Joe. "His resolution creates a trial that is rushed with as little evidence as possible, and done in the dark of night," he said. "If they were so confident of their case—if President Trump were, if McConnell were—then why wouldn't they want it in broad daylight? Why are they trying to do things at two in the morning? Why are they saying the record of the existing trial cannot be put in this record but then we can't have new witnesses, new documents? This is just appalling."

Schumer said that Senate Democrats plan to force votes on witnesses and documents. ---

A trial with no evidence—no existing record, no witnesses, no documents—isn't a trial at all. It's a cover up!
The problem with that is the republicans that are senators are not in compliance with their oath of office. And they’re the ones that need to vote for witnesses.

There is no reason why people who are key witnesses should not testify and McConnell shouldn't be a part of this. He already said he will not be fair.
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