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Trump's Plan to Criminalize Homelessness Is Taking Shape 3 months 1 week ago #3371520

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kedro wrote: Seems Trump now wants to make sleeping outside illegal!


So will the rough sleepers be put in prison ? Will this plan eventually lead to a final solution like Hitler employed to get rid of gypsies, Jews and other undesirables ? And, more to the point, would brainwashed Americans go along with it by turning a blind eye ?
We need to remind ourselves just how quickly atrocities such as those mentioned are justified and accepted.
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Trump's Plan to Criminalize Homelessness Is Taking Shape 3 months 1 week ago #3371525

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Lucie wrote: The problem is, of course, that people are homeless for various reasons, so they can't all be treated in the same way. I still think anyone who is genuinely homeless should be forced into a hostel. There they can be assessed and each case dealt with separately.

All this shock, horror attitude achieves nothing. Something practical needs to be done. Vagrancy used to be illegal, here in Britain anyway, so Trump's plan is nothing new. There are also itinerant workers, at least they were prepared to work for a crust instead of expecting hand-outs.


Rough sleeping and begging are illegal in ENgland and Wales under the Vagrancy Act 1824,
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Trump's Plan to Criminalize Homelessness Is Taking Shape 3 months 1 week ago #3371577

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Aida wrote:

kedro wrote: Seems Trump now wants to make sleeping outside illegal!


So will the rough sleepers be put in prison ? Will this plan eventually lead to a final solution like Hitler employed to get rid of gypsies, Jews and other undesirables ? And, more to the point, would brainwashed Americans go along with it by turning a blind eye ?
We need to remind ourselves just how quickly atrocities such as those mentioned are justified and accepted.


Seems like that’s a stretch in that statement, can you provide a link that shows Gypsies, Jews and other undesirables deficating on public sidewalks and committing crimes in order to fuel their drug habit during the time of nazi Germany?
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If a American police officer wants to find a reason to arrest a person, its not hard to find " reasonable cause " to do so. Public unrination, trespassing, drunk in public, threatening violence, possession of stolen property, possession of a weapon like a folding knife, or any one of a dozen other minor offences. The pressure to arrest comes from various levels, like city or county levels of government, public pressure groups and neighborhood associations.

The root problem is that in America, its a crime to be homeless, period. Drug users are treated as being criminals, not as having a medical problem. In other parts of the world that have decriminalized drug possession, crime rates went down by half or more, because addicts no longer had to steal everyday, to support their habit. It s a LOT cheaper to provide treatment for drug addiction than it is to house people in prisons. Making drugs available through government clinics also breaks the illegal drug dealers control of the illicit drug trade. Take the profit out, and watch the dealers go away.

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Why Trump always have to do things the stupidest, cruelest way?

I guess it's because homeless shelters don't enrich anybody while prison are privatized and for-profit.

This administration always says "Why bring in foreigners (referring to immigrants) when we should be helping our own homeless first???"
And that's the help they are talking about?

So, first concentration camps for immigrants and now concentration camps for poor people?
Who’s next?
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Many of our homeless have mental issues. Forty years ago, many of them would have been in state institutions but because of cost and freedom issues, many of the institutions closed and the residents had nowhere to go. I don't think that was the solution but we do need to so something. Forcing them into hostels won't work, they need a whole network of support which most people don't want to pay for.
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I agree with you hcf3sf. Many homeless people got that way through no fault of their own. Many are mentally ill and should be hospitalized. We no longer have mental hospitals and it is nearly impossible to get psychiatric care without money. We do not have insurance for all in the U.S.

Quite a few people have lost their homes because they can't afford to pay the mortgage or even rent a place. The reason is that they have cancer or other serious illnesses and were forced to pay doctor and hospital bills.

Now the Republicans are trying to get rid of Planned Parenthood which gives free health care and birth control to those who can't afford a doctor

Yes, there are many homeless people who are on drugs and or alcohol, but the majority are not.

Many homeless are Veterans of military service who can't work because of war injuries.

Trump and other elected Republicans are just interested in making more money for themselves. It isn't fair. They are supposed to be our representatives in Congress and they only represent big corporations.
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www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/democrats...693fb4b0b_story.html

Democrats hateTrump's plan for the homelessness. It's their plan too..

President Trump arrived in California on Tuesday night and declared that Los Angeles and San Francisco will “destroy themselves” if they don’t clear out homeless encampments that threaten to ruin the “prestige” of our “best highways, our best streets, our best entrances to buildings.” Trump has directed aides to launch a major crackdown on homelessness in California, which could involve removing people residing on California’s streets. It all seems to echo Trump’s attempted crackdowns on undocumented immigrants in liberal “sanctuary cities,” this time applied to another marginalized group in Democratic strongholds. The president often blames Democrats for sustained poverty and crime in major cities, and he’s used typically stigmatizing language to describe homelessness: “You take a look at what’s going on with San Francisco, it’s terrible,” he told Fox News recently. “. . . We may intercede. We may do something to get that whole thing cleaned up. It’s inappropriate. Now, we have to take the people and do something.”

But the residents and leaders of these liberal cities are also intolerant of the unhoused. On the West Coast, criminalizing homelessness is already policy orthodoxy — even among those who are part of the vanguard of the anti-Trump resistance.

Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom’s spokesman called on Trump to put “serious solutions, with real investment, on the table,” rather than just divisive rhetoric. But as mayor of San Francisco, Newsom pushed a successful ballot initiative to make it illegal to sit or lie on city sidewalks. State Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco), who said this month that Trump should “back off,” co-sponsored a successful ballot initiative that bars camping in public spaces in his hometown. San Francisco Mayor London Breed said that “simply cracking down on homelessness without providing the housing people need is not a real solution.” Meanwhile, during her term, the city’s police department has increased the number of officers assigned to addressing homeless complaints from 24 to 58, while also raising the number of sanitation workers dedicated to sweeping encampments. Voters in these liberal cities not only continually pass these laws, they call on the police to enforce them. In 2017, San Francisco police were dispatched nearly 100,000 times for caller complaints of homeless concerns.
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Trump's Plan to Criminalize Homelessness Is Taking Shape 3 months 1 week ago #3372028

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We need to make a serious effort to make sure everyone has housing. We also need to tackle the issues behind homelessness; low wages, high rents, health care, drug addiction, alcoholism, education. better jobs- not just retail or service jobs, IOW stop shipping jobs out of the country.
There's a lot that can be done, helpful positive things. Being caring and fair is a big part of it. When you help someone you help yourself. :cheer: wink.png :cheer: :xsanta:
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President Trump arrived in California on Tuesday night and declared that Los Angeles and San Francisco will “destroy themselves” if they don’t clear out homeless encampments that threaten to ruin the “prestige” of our “best highways, our best streets, our best entrances to buildings.” Trump has directed aides to launch a major crackdown on homelessness in California, which could involve removing people residing on California’s streets



Clear people out and remove them to where???

Somewhere we cant see them and dont have to worry about them ruining the prestige of the city and getting in our way in doorways ??

Doesnt sound like concern for the homeless but wanting things to look better for the wealthy. :unsure:
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