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ex-pope Benedict about sexual abuse in church...and whose fault it is. 3 months 1 week ago #3214746

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The Bavarian b*stard former pope Bendictus has spewed again.

Critics accused Benedict, who before becoming pope in 2005 was for 23 years in charge of the Vatican doctrinal office that has been widely criticized for its handling of abuse cases, of trying to shift blame away from the church.

But in a rare essay, he said the Church’s legal system had at times been overly protective of accused clerics, citing what he called judicial guarantees that were “extended to such an extent that convictions were hardly possible”.

The 91-year-old, who in 2013 became the first pope in six centuries to resign, argued that the sexual revolution had led some to believe pedophilia and pornography were acceptable. He also said that an openly gay culture in some Catholic seminaries meant they had failed to train priests properly.

“It could be said that in the 20 years from 1960 to 1980, the previously normative standards regarding sexuality collapsed entirely, and a new normalcy arose that has by now been the subject of laborious attempts at disruption,” Benedict wrote.

Benedict was head of the Vatican’s doctrinal office when the first wave of abuse cases were exposed in Boston in 2002. Later, as pope, he took action against some pedophiles that had been blocked during the reign of his predecessor, John Paul.

Abuse scandals in Ireland, Chile, Australia, France, the United States, Poland, Germany and elsewhere have forced the Church to pay out billions of dollars in damages to victims and close parishes. Many cases date back decades before the 1960s.

Revelations that predatory priests were often moved from parish to parish rather than expelled or criminally prosecuted as bishops covered up the abuse have shaken the church globally and undermined its authority.
“STUNNING”

Benedict offered his evaluations in a long essay in Klerusblatt, a monthly Church magazine in Bavaria, his native region of Germany. A Vatican official confirmed the authenticity of the essay.

Benedict said the impetus for the essay, titled “The Church and the Scandal of Sexual Abuse”, was a summit of senior bishops that Francis, his successor as pope, held in February to discuss the crisis.

“Among the freedoms that the Revolution of 1968 sought to fight for was this all-out sexual freedom, one which no longer conceded any norms,” Benedict wrote, according to an English translation published by several Catholic websites.

He said the spread of explicit sex education for young schoolchildren and nudity in advertising had contributed to a loosening of moral bearings and an “absence of God”.
www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-abuse-be...e-says-idUSKCN1RN0WI

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So who does he blame for all the abuse before 1968?
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Comparing the two

In 2013, Benedict (Joseph Ratzinger) unexpectedly resigned his papacy.
He was the first Pope to do so in nearly 600 years.
Afterward, he did not, as many expected, depart for an obscure Bavarian monastery.

He stayed put, still accepting the title “His Holiness,” still wearing the pectoral cross of the Bishop of Rome, still publishing, still massaging his record, still meeting cardinals, still making statements, still involved.
His very existence provides encouragement to conservative critics who want to undermine Francis’s reign.

At the outset of his papacy, in 2005, Ratzinger ordered that gays should be banned from seminaries and the priesthood.

Pope Francis has a more tolerant view. When asked about homosexuality during an in-flight press conference in 2013, he famously said, “Who am I to judge?”

Ratzinger, as Pope, went in for ruby-red slip-on loafers and red ermine-trimmed capes. Gorgeous Georg, also nicknamed “Bel Giorgio,” was the inspiration for Donatella Versace’s winter 2007–8 “clergyman” collection.

Pope Francis will have none of that. He wears modest black shoes and a white cassock that is said to be made of wool.

In July 2012, Ratzinger appointed the conservative bishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller as the new head of the orthodoxy police, formally known as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Ratzinger appointed Gänswein not only to be his personal secretary but also to remain as head of the papal household.
This meant that Gänswein would run the new Pope’s apartments and offices in the Apostolic Palace, where Popes have resided and worked for hundreds of years.
This would have positioned Gänswein to monitor the conversations and meetings of the new Pope.

Francis, in an apparent effort to outsmart Benedict and Gänswein, opted to live not in the papal apartments under Gänswein’s control but instead in Casa Santa Marta, a guesthouse for visiting clergy adjacent to St. Peter’s Basilica, where he has a modest apartment and a makeshift office.

He allows Gänswein to arrange audiences in the papal apartments with grand figures like royalty and heads of state, but he eats in the self-service cafeteria and gets coffee from a coin-operated machine.

Ratzinger:
In May 2012, Italian journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi published a book titled His Holiness: The Secret Papers of Benedict XVI, which included revealing letters and memos to Pope Benedict, Gänswein, and others.

The Apostolic Palace was exposed as a snake pit of envy, scheming, and infighting.
There were details of the Pope’s personal finances, including attempted bribes for private papal audiences. In January 2013, Italy’s central bank suspended all bank payments inside Vatican City for the Church’s failure to follow “anti-money-laundering” regulations.

Ratzinger had commissioned a report on the state of the Curia by three trusted cardinals.
It landed on his desk in December 2012, and his resignation followed two months later.

Pope Francis:
When Cardinal Archbishop Jorge Bergoglio first appeared on the Vatican balcony, he was wearing just his white cassock: he had declined to wear the traditional scarlet, ermine-trimmed cape, and wore the papal stole for only a few moments.

He waved to the crowd and said a simple “Buona sera.”
He then asked the throng to pray for him and to sleep well.
Later, he went to the hotel where he had been staying to collect his bags and pay the bill.

This was a new style of papacy, and the Curia would not like it.

Francis became known for his unconventional pastoral style, traveling by public transport, living simply, cooking for himself.
He was close to the poor and marginalized.
He was seen sitting on a bench counseling prostitutes in the red-light district at night.
Asked to describe himself after his election as Pope, he said, “I am a sinner.”

Francis’s favorite saint is St. Francis of Assisi, with his insistence on caring for the poor and living in harmony with all living creatures.
Pope Francis has frequently preached against the destruction of the environment.

He has respect, not mere tolerance, for other religions.
At the foot-washing ceremony on the first Maundy Thursday Mass of his pontificate, in 2013, Francis included two Muslims and two women, to the horror of his critics.

Ratzinger has witnessed pope Francis attempt to clean up the Vatican’s finances, making the Vatican Bank and its investments accountable.
He has seen pope Francis implement reforms in the Vatican bureaucracy, shutting down whole departments.

He would have read the harsh words Francis used in a 2017 Christmas address to the top members of the Vatican, accusing them of creating “cliques and plots,” which are “unbalanced and degenerate,” and of suffering from a “cancer that leads to a self-referential attitude.”

Pope Francis said that “reforming Rome is like cleaning the Sphinx of Egypt with a toothbrush.”

From the very first days of his papacy, Francis has spoken in ways that suggest he is seeking, prompting, even urging on, a massive change within the authoritarian, dogmatic, stubbornly unchanging Church that has shown its bitter fruits in the thousands of abused young faithful across the Catholic world.

A drastic purging of the obstinate entitlements, the secrecy, the unaccountability, the wealth, the self-satisfied traditionalism, could be the necessary condition of making a fresh start."
www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/pope-fra...lict-catholic-church

Why try to undermine a pope who wnats to modernize the catholic church?
Who wants to make an end on the scandals and the chiuld abuse?

"Ratzingers disgraceful attack on atheists and secularists suggests that we have rattled them so much that they have to resort to insulting us, in a desperate attempt to divert attention from the child abuse scandal.

As a devout catholic Ratzinger had the obnoxious idea that all Jews are to be held responsible for killing Jesus – the "Christ-killer" libel – not repudiated until the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965).
He was a member of the Hitler Jugend.

Hitler was a Roman Catholic. Or at least he was as much a Roman Catholic as the 5 million so-called Roman Catholics in the UK today.

For Hitler never renounced his baptismal Catholicism, which was doubtless the criterion for counting the 5 million alleged British Catholics today.

You cannot have it both ways.
Either you have 5 million British Catholics, in which case you have to have Hitler, too.
Or Hitler was not a Catholic, in which case you have to give us an honest figure for the number of genuine Catholics in Britain today – the number who really believe Jesus turns himself into a wafer, as the former pope Ratzinger presumably does.

In any case, Hitler certainly was not an atheist. In 1933 he claimed to have "stamped atheism out", having banned most of Germany's atheist organisations, including the German Freethinkers League whose building was then turned into an information bureau for church affairs."
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief...inger-enemy-humanity

So where on earth does Ratzinger get his idea the ´atheists´ have caused the 2nd WW?

Probably from the same source as his statement that the child-abusers in the catholic church are homosexuals, brought to their actions by the Sexual Revolution in the 60s...forgetting the now-a-days abusers (another thing Ratzinger denies, there are no abusers, only homosexuals) must be over 80 now.

How can people still support this man,who claims homosexuals are child-abusers?

He, and his clique, are one of the reasons people leave the church.
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ex-pope Benedict about sexual abuse in church...and whose fault it is. 3 months 1 week ago #3214780

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kedro wrote: So who does he blame for all the abuse before 1968?


Apart from the homosexuals he blames in his retarded mind there were no abuses.

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ex-pope Benedict about sexual abuse in church...and whose fault it is. 3 months 1 week ago #3214904

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Annette wrote:

kedro wrote: So who does he blame for all the abuse before 1968?


Apart from the homosexuals he blames in his retarded mind there were no abuses.


Ireland may disagree.
www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/world/europe/...catholic-church.html

www.france24.com/en/20180825-litany-cath...use-scandals-ireland
In a sign of the scale of the abuse, 14,500 people applied for compensation through an Irish government scheme for those abused at juvenile facilities run by religious groups between 1936 and 1970.

And still some wonder why church attendence is down.
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Its sad to say, but the whole thing stemmed from the interpretation of the bible. It said celebate, but it should have said celebrate[/i. Joking to one side, I think the Catholic Church has lost the plot.If this pope is their leader, God help all Catholics.

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There is a new pope who seems to be a bit better - but the rot is so deep, that he has a hard time makeing any progress (if he is really trying).
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In high school with my Catholic friends we had a saying; The Pope Smokes Dope! (at least he should)
It sounded good when you were pretty baked. :laugh:
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altshovel wrote: In high school with my Catholic friends we had a saying; The Pope Smokes Dope! (at least he should)
It sounded good when you were pretty baked. :laugh:


If he had joined your circle, he may have seen a better way to go!
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I am not a believer. But if I might be allowed to make a comment. In my limited experience with the Clergy, It has been relatively little to do with the homo-sexual priest. But everything to do with the Paedophile priest. These are the perverts that should be rooted out exposed and ejected.
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