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Brexit: 3 months 1 week ago #3004593

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Yet another effort to scupper Brexit. Most of the Establishment are determined that we will never leave the European Union.
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Brexit: 3 months 1 week ago #3004665

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I respect the Brexit vote.
However, I have serious concerns over the effect of Brexit in a No Deal position.
I appreciate that for some Buzzers, Brexit cannot come quickly enough and No Deal is the holy grail!
There are a number of very well informed, mature MPs who have the best interests of UK at heart, and are warning that No Deal will be very disruptive, frankly, to our future. This is not "project fear" but realism!
We will have sovereignty and " control of our borders" but we will not recapture our magnificent imperial history!
What is the plan for our future? ...Socialism with Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell? Repatriation of EU citizens and exPats? What about NHS? Will Scotland vote for independence ( about time, some would say!) Will Northern Ireland become part of Ireland?
What about these trade deals we hear about? Will they be beneficial, or will inflation soar...particularly the prices of imported food?
We do not appear to even have an agreed plan for Brexit never mind after Brexit, when TM has been toppled and all the infighting begins.......IMO it all reminds me of the " Charge of the Light Brigade".... follow orders! Never mind the cost!
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Brexit: 3 months 1 week ago #3004778

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It shouldn't come as a surprise that we pay in more than we get out of the EU
It always seemed logical as one of the richer states we'd be paying more, indeed subsidising and helping the poorer countries to raise their standard of living so that Europe is prosperous from East to West. It's a long term goal but one I personally agree with, as a rich country we should help those poorer than us. I'm sure that view is unpopular with many, as its a socialist view-point, but I'm all for it, as are many others across Europe.

An admirable ambition......

However I have today received, through ‘official’ channels, so no quibbling please, notice that the EU has allocated €16 billion ‘to help maintain and further enhance the EU’s leadership in space’.

A first-class way of standardising living standards across Europe...

For those of you who scour the EU’s website looking for budgetary information it is all there, somewhere!

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Brexit: 3 months 1 week ago #3004795

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bryoney wrote: It shouldn't come as a surprise that we pay in more than we get out of the EU
It always seemed logical as one of the richer states we'd be paying more, indeed subsidising and helping the poorer countries to raise their standard of living so that Europe is prosperous from East to West. It's a long term goal but one I personally agree with, as a rich country we should help those poorer than us. I'm sure that view is unpopular with many, as its a socialist view-point, but I'm all for it, as are many others across Europe.

An admirable ambition......

However I have today received, through ‘official’ channels, so no quibbling please, notice that the EU has allocated €16 billion ‘to help maintain and further enhance the EU’s leadership in space’.

A first-class way of standardising living standards across Europe...

For those of you who scour the EU’s website looking for budgetary information it is all there, somewhere!


Interesting. Could you send a link on that statistic?
16 billion is what, 10% of the total EU budget? Sounds like an amazingly high figure.
I must check for myself! Even if that figure is correct, it's still only about 30% of what the USA spends on space.

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Brexit: 3 months 1 week ago #3004800

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Bye Bye EU

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Brexit: 3 months 1 week ago #3004845

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SNP MPs walk out of PMQs in 'Brexit power grab' protest

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Brexit: 3 months 1 week ago #3004847

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At least they had the ba!ls to back up their leader
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Brexit: 3 months 1 week ago #3004869

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These powers should have came back to Scotland ,well done to the mps that walked out
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Brexit: 3 months 1 week ago #3004876

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For the next long-term EU budget 2021-2027, the EC is proposing €16 billion for a new EU Space Programme.

The European Commission has announced that its proposes to devote €16 billion to help maintain and further enhance the EU's leadership in space. The Commission's proposal will bring all existing and new space activities under the umbrella of a single programme.

The new space programme will maintain existing infrastructure and services and introduce several new features, which include:

Fostering a strong and innovative space industry: The new space programme will create innovation partnerships to develop and purchase innovative products and services; facilitate access to testing and processing facilities for start-ups; and promote certification and standardisation. The programme will be rolled out together with Horizon Europe, ensuring collaboration between space-related research and innovation actions.
Maintaining the EU's autonomous, reliable and cost-effective access to space: The Commission will aggregate the EU demand of launch services, providing investment and supporting the use of innovative technology such as reusable launchers, and contribute to the adaptation of the necessary ground infrastructure.
A unified and simplified system of governance: The EU will ensure that the increase in financial investment is supported by efficient decision-making so that all EU space activities are rolled out on time and on budget. The Commission will continue to be responsible for managing the overall programme.
The Commission proposes to allocate the €16 billion budget for 2021-2027 as follows:

€9.7 billion for Galileo and EGNOS, the EU's global and regional satellite navigation systems.
€5.8 billion for Copernicus, the EU's Earth Observation programme.
€500 million to develop new security components.
An agreement on the next long-term budget in 2019 will determine investment continuity in the EU's space activities.

Vice-President of the Commission Maroš Šefčovič said:

"EU investment in space has already delivered world-class results to the benefit of European citizens and businesses. Over 10% of the EU's GDP is already dependent on space-related services and major investments by the EU have enabled progress that no Member State could have achieved on its own. But we need to up our game. Space data can help our industries lead on the Internet of Things and automated driving, and help us more accurately monitor greenhouse gas emissions to make our climate action more effective than ever before."

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Brexit: 3 months 1 week ago #3004893

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bryoney wrote: For the next long-term EU budget 2021-2027, the EC is proposing €16 billion for a new EU Space Programme.

The European Commission has announced that its proposes to devote €16 billion to help maintain and further enhance the EU's leadership in space. The Commission's proposal will bring all existing and new space activities under the umbrella of a single programme.

The new space programme will maintain existing infrastructure and services and introduce several new features, which include:

Fostering a strong and innovative space industry: The new space programme will create innovation partnerships to develop and purchase innovative products and services; facilitate access to testing and processing facilities for start-ups; and promote certification and standardisation. The programme will be rolled out together with Horizon Europe, ensuring collaboration between space-related research and innovation actions.
Maintaining the EU's autonomous, reliable and cost-effective access to space: The Commission will aggregate the EU demand of launch services, providing investment and supporting the use of innovative technology such as reusable launchers, and contribute to the adaptation of the necessary ground infrastructure.
A unified and simplified system of governance: The EU will ensure that the increase in financial investment is supported by efficient decision-making so that all EU space activities are rolled out on time and on budget. The Commission will continue to be responsible for managing the overall programme.
The Commission proposes to allocate the €16 billion budget for 2021-2027 as follows:

€9.7 billion for Galileo and EGNOS, the EU's global and regional satellite navigation systems.
€5.8 billion for Copernicus, the EU's Earth Observation programme.
€500 million to develop new security components.
An agreement on the next long-term budget in 2019 will determine investment continuity in the EU's space activities.

Vice-President of the Commission Maroš Šefčovič said:

"EU investment in space has already delivered world-class results to the benefit of European citizens and businesses. Over 10% of the EU's GDP is already dependent on space-related services and major investments by the EU have enabled progress that no Member State could have achieved on its own. But we need to up our game. Space data can help our industries lead on the Internet of Things and automated driving, and help us more accurately monitor greenhouse gas emissions to make our climate action more effective than ever before."

Here is the information requested. Apologies for the lengthy cut and paste but it comes from a document with sensitive information.


Thank you Byroney.
If I understand correctly it's 16 billion over 7 years? now that seems too low. lol.
People are always going to complain money for "space" projects could be better spent, I guess that comes down to a matter of opinion, but as i mentioned earlier, The EU budget on those projects is a fraction of US spending on similar projects.
It would appear your point has fallen a little flat.

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