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Brexit: 1 month 1 week ago #3002602

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Polliyana wrote:

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lensman wrote: "Hmm. Like I say, I see the EU in a different way, I've seen crumbling cities rejuvenated by them whilst our government looks on, I've seen and been involved with the thousands of jobs created by the EU, "


2016
UK payments to EU = £13.1 billion
EU Spending in UK =£4.5 billion
UK Net contribution to EU = £8.6 billion
Nice of them to fund projects with our own money.



Here are some more statistics for you
www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/bud....html#united_kingdom

It shouldn't come as a surprise that we pay in more than we get out of the EU
It always seemed logical as one of the richer states we'd be paying more, indeed subsidising and helping the poorer countries to raise their standard of living so that Europe is prosperous from East to West. It's a long term goal but one I personally agree with, as a rich country we should help those poorer than us. I'm sure that view is unpopular with many, as its a socialist view-point, but I'm all for it, as are many others across Europe.



Not too far back in the posts (294) you said UK was crumbling? Spends our money wisely,
That is so naive.


It's just my opinion Polliyana, I DO think the UK is crumbling, compared to France for example.
What I do think is Naive is calling people naive because they don't agree with you. now that's naive.
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Brexit: 1 month 1 week ago #3002651

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Naive - showing lack of experience, wisdom and judgement.

Davegem's posts do not exhibit naivety in my opinion.
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Brexit: 1 month 1 week ago #3002658

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Aida wrote: Naive - showing lack of experience, wisdom and judgement.

Davegem's posts do not exhibit naivety in my opinion.


But that, of course, depends on which side of the fence you are standing. The posts to which you refer were written by one who thinks that the U.K. should remain in the EU but whose Profile states that he is resident in France and one would therefore expect a pro -European stance. People of that persuasion have been known to regard those who voted Leave as not having the understanding to appreciate what they were voting for......

There is as much wastage of public money within the EU as anywhere else. They seem very fond of building themselves large buildings complete with shopping malls, awarding themselves special rates of tax, acquiring property all over the world......and who actually owns all this? Are the EU the Custodian Trustees? The simplified accounts posted here mean nothing. There is no breakdown within those very generalised categories of where money actually goes.

It is a very nice life for a very small proportion of the populations of 28 countries. And within the UK I wonder how many of those who voted to remain actually know the name of their MEP, what, if anything, it has done for its constituency and what it looks like.
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Brexit: 1 month 1 week ago #3002663

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bryoney wrote:

Aida wrote: Naive - showing lack of experience, wisdom and judgement.

Davegem's posts do not exhibit naivety in my opinion.


But that, of course, depends on which side of the fence you are standing. The posts to which you refer were written by one who thinks that the U.K. should remain in the EU but whose Profile states that he is resident in France and one would therefore expect a pro -European stance. People of that persuasion have been known to regard those who voted Leave as not having the understanding to appreciate what they were voting for......

There is as much wastage of public money within the EU as anywhere else. They seem very fond of building themselves large buildings complete with shopping malls, awarding themselves special rates of tax, acquiring property all over the world......and who actually owns all this? Are the EU the Custodian Trustees? The simplified accounts posted here mean nothing. There is no breakdown within those very generalised categories of where money actually goes.

It is a very nice life for a very small proportion of the populations of 28 countries. And within the UK I wonder how many of those who voted to remain actually know the name of their MEP, what, if anything, it has done for its constituency and what it looks like.


Because of personal reasons I'll be returning back to live in England by Christmas.
You judge me by your own standards, as we all tend to do, but you're very wrong in your assessment of why I support the EU. Not all of us think in purely selfish terms.
I understand your point of view, and indeed, we are leaving the European Union, so my thoughts on the subject are inconsequential.
But I hope you fervent isolationists can now turn your mind to how England might survive on our own, we need to give it much thought, as our problems are legion, and leaving the EU will not change that one jot.
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Brexit: 1 month 1 week ago #3002735

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bryoney wrote:

Aida wrote: Naive - showing lack of experience, wisdom and judgement.

Davegem's posts do not exhibit naivety in my opinion.


But that, of course, depends on which side of the fence you are standing. The posts to which you refer were written by one who thinks that the U.K. should remain in the EU but whose Profile states that he is resident in France and one would therefore expect a pro -European stance. People of that persuasion have been known to regard those who voted Leave as not having the understanding to appreciate what they were voting for......

There is as much wastage of public money within the EU as anywhere else.


I don't know if there is wastage but all I know is that it is a hussle and take weeks to be able to see a doc in the UK not even mentioning a specialist while we can see one unannounced within one hour all over France.

So yes, each country have their own priorities on the way they spend money.
We have free schools and uni in France many of which are excellent while UK students are starting their young life in debts up their heads to get a uni education.

So yes I do agree with members who say that before we blame the E.U for all the social and economics failures
of the UK and pretend we are all ruled by Brussel we need to explain why Brussel, France, Germany, Italy, Spain have free schooling ?
Why do they have top NHS services much much cheaper and with doctors available on a daily basis including private doctors services refunded to us by NHS?
Why do they vet their migrants?
Why do they make the learning of country language compulsory for integration of new migrants?
Could it be... that the UK did anything wrong at all? Or is it all because of Brussel and the nasty dictarorial E.U?:huh:
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Brexit: 1 month 6 days ago #3002746

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Aida wrote: Naive - showing lack of experience, wisdom and judgement.

Davegem's posts do not exhibit naivety in my opinion.


That's because your a follower, you agree wth him and his political bent, that's obvious.

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Brexit: 1 month 6 days ago #3002772

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Yet another attempt to undermine the referendum result!
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himerus wrote: Yet another attempt to undermine the referendum result!


Is it?
The fact that Putin has a strategy of trying to weaken the EU by funding far-right groups and those that want to see the break-up of the Union should both be reported on and if possible prevented.
Strange when it is highlighted people see it as pro-EU plot to undermine the referendum result etc.
You couldn't make this stuff up.

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Brexit: 1 month 6 days ago #3002887

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So yes, each country have their own priorities on the way they spend money.
We have free schools and uni in France many of which are excellent while UK students are starting their young life in debts up their heads to get a uni education.

So yes I do agree with members who say that before we blame the E.U for all the social and economics failures
of the UK and pretend we are all ruled by Brussel we need to explain why Brussel, France, Germany, Italy, Spain have free schooling ?


Not entirely correct I’m afraid. In Germany you pay for a university education, so I am told by one who lives there and was educated at Universität Oldenburg and ‘you can stay as long as you like so long as you keep on paying’. UK education is free to University level and in Scotland a university education is free to Scottish residents.

The picture is not as rosy everywhere as you seem to think. The German government is closing Special Needs schools for economic reasons and integrating their pupils into the mainstream schools together with migrant children who do not speak German. Teachers are stretched to the limit as they try to cope with ADHD kids, deaf kids, partially sighted kids and kids who are given one hour of German tuition a day and expected to join classes for the rest of it and survive the best they can. They have Syrian children who have never been to school, cannot read or write even in their own language, and come from families similarly situated, again in mainstream education and with the inevitable effects on the kids who have been born and brought up in Germany as the staff have to devote more time and attention to the kids with difficulties. The turnover of staff is high. You have to live among it to appreciate what is happening below the Utopian surface.

England is small and would fit into Germany and France several times over yet our population keeps growing. Members who have said that the recent influx of Eastern European migrants have forced wages down are correct and, of course, once wages are below a certain level no Income Tax is payable so less money for the Treasury and less to spend on necessary things like the NHS, education and infrastructure, although the demand on those services increases.

The length of time it takes to see a doctor in the U.K. depends a lot on where you live. Migrants tend to head to the larger towns and cities, putting a lot of pressure on services there. Living in a rural area I can see my GP the same day if I am unwell and have nothing but praise for the care I have received since moving here.

The list of questions appended in the post from which the above quotation is taken is interesting as most of them have financial connections and finance, as we all know, is a tightrope that all governments have to walk. Nobody is blaming the EU for obvious U.K. mismanagement, conversely I for one would rather have control and know who is accountable than be controlled by people for whom I have not voted, whose policies and political persuasions I do not know but who seem to think that they know what is best for my country and, by default, for me.
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Brexit: 1 month 6 days ago #3002892

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I think the EU is falling apart anyway, with or without the help of Russia....one very good reason for us to get out now.

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