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Brexit: 5 months 1 week ago #3001575

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Who might this person with backbone have been, Pollyanna ?
I often see on here people wishing we'd had a leader like Donald Trump. Boris apparently said Trump would have in 'gone in bloody hard'.
Other people wish Mrs Thatcher had been at the helm of the negotiations. Sadly, The Iron Lady is dead and, with a nod to Andrew Marvell, The grave's a fine and private place, but Brexit there she can't embrace! .

So who is it to be for those who think Mrs May is not doing a good job? Bumbling Boris ? 1930s throwback Milksop Mogg?
Suggesting that remainers are selfish is an insult to people who are fearful for the economy.
Sleepwalking into a Vassal State ? No, trying to protect our livelihoods and living standards more like.
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Brexit: 5 months 1 week ago #3001688

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Bryoney I have afraid that you are wrong. If you leave the UK and go live in the EU before March 2019 you will still be a UK citizen. You cease to be an EU citizen as the UK will no longer be a member of the EU. You will just be an immigrant in the EU from the UK.
We in Spain are UK immigrants and as all the British are for the moment. We want to keep our EU citizenship as well as our UK citizenship n but there is nothing in the Brexit negotiators to allow that.

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Brexit: 5 months 1 week ago #3001777

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D1A2V3I4 wrote: Bryoney I have afraid that you are wrong. If you leave the UK and go live in the EU before March 2019 you will still be a UK citizen. You cease to be an EU citizen as the UK will no longer be a member of the EU. You will just be an immigrant in the EU from the UK.
We in Spain are UK immigrants and as all the British are for the moment. We want to keep our EU citizenship as well as our UK citizenship n but there is nothing in the Brexit negotiators to allow that.


That sounds like the much-bandied ‘cherry picking’. In other words you can’t have your cake and eat it. It sounds like a fairly straightforward, but stark, choice.

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Brexit: 5 months 1 week ago #3001785

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Polliyana wrote: She decimated the police when Home Secretary, and now she is doing it to our country. I'm so sad.



And you want the likes of her and Johnson and Gove etc to make a better job of running the country than us continuing as we were!!! ???

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Brexit: 5 months 1 week ago #3001789

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D1A2V3I4 wrote: Bryoney I have afraid that you are wrong. If you leave the UK and go live in the EU before March 2019 you will still be a UK citizen. You cease to be an EU citizen as the UK will no longer be a member of the EU. You will just be an immigrant in the EU from the UK.
We in Spain are UK immigrants and as all the British are for the moment. We want to keep our EU citizenship as well as our UK citizenship n but there is nothing in the Brexit negotiators to allow that.


I understand so well D and this is why Brexit is such a sensitive issue because it touches us to the chore to who we are and how we define ourselves.
The Brits who only feel Brits and never ever felt European from within, could not care less about leaving the E.U. which is totally understandable.

The Brits raised within a European Uk, with European values, and feel as much a part of the E.U as a part of the U.K feel stripped of half their identity and that is very painful and felt by pretty much many people from the younger generation.

I feel just as European as I feel French and being asked to give up my French Passport or my E.U passport would be like depriving me of half of my identity....:(

Nothing to do with having a cake and eat it and everything to do with who I am a French and a European.
Not a French 1st and European 2nd just a European French, this is my identity and who I am, just like kids with parents from 2 different nationalities , the kids can not choose, they are who they are by birth and education, and I believe no matter wether you are a brexiter or a remainer, deep inside our identity is being threatened and that is why it makes this whole situation very explosive... as it is very emotional for all parties involved...

And the consequences are massive for the economics and the future prosperity of the U.K.
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Brexit: 5 months 1 week ago #3001819

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<<< Thoroughly disagrees with having been given a referendum on such a profound issue.
We have the Democracy that those who object to this opinion, in being able to consider locally known candidates to represent us in Parliament.

A Parliament that has all the resources to enable constructive debate.
In this motion concluding with a whip unhindered cross party resolution.
What we were given was a total cop out by Cameron.
A typical example of "when the 'not so' tough get going" they getting going to somewhere less stressful.
Whatever colour party flag one waves, one thing has been proved.
Mrs May has picked up the pieces, during a period of many other contemporary/historic revealed shambles with enviable energy and tenacity in the face of even her own backbenchers muddying the water at almost every step.
Absolutely shameful, when one considers that natural opponents such as the leader of the opposition and devolvement politicians have refrained from protagonism during this intense time consuming period.
Even the best can only take so much.
The UK will need significantly more than divine providence if she throws the towel in or is ousted and we have to start this from scratch all over again.
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Brexit: 5 months 1 week ago #3001860

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I am English and European. I am a remainer. I am not a Conservative but I have sympathy for Mrs May caught up as she is with that pack of back stabbing cloud dwellers. She has worked hard and is still working hard to get the right deal. I'd like to see what happens if she is usurped by one of the idiots who think we can leave without negotiating the right deal.
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Brexit: 5 months 1 week ago #3001890

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Taner wrote:

Polliyana wrote: She decimated the police when Home Secretary, and now she is doing it to our country. I'm so sad.



And you want the likes of her and Johnson and Gove etc to make a better job of running the country than us continuing as we were!!! ???


Can you repeat that in English? I don't want TM never did. And yes I think people who voted to leave, will have the courage of their convictions. May and Hammond ( who should have been sacked a while ago imo) are hardest remainers.

If we stay now, we would be just puppets doing the very expensive bidding of the EU.
In the end the UK taxpayers foot the bill.
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Brexit: 5 months 1 week ago #3001896

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Every time Brexit comes up on a thread the same nastiness appears.
What a dreadful state us Brits are in.
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Brexit: 5 months 1 week ago #3001935

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Unfortunately memories are short, contemporary issues thus tending to "be quick jerk" reactions.
When the World financial crisis occured 07/08 the Blairite Socialist had racked a country with enormous debt and no Sovereign wealth . With a prediction that if spending continued at that rate, it would take 35yrs! to recover.
Conservatives elected 2010 as clearly the only party with a cats chance in hell in preventing the UK bottoming out below that of Greece.
Choice, Bankruptcy or Austerity.
Austerity was never going to be popular whichever Government.
To demonise, particularly Mrs May, for the measures needed to be taken is churlish, it taking sterling [no pun intended] tenacity and resolve to navigate through all the inevitable resentment and belt tightening required.
Whether, during Cameron's leadership, considering leaving or staying within the EU., is questionable. [>> IMO Mrs Merkle's directive to disperse a million migrants pro rata throughout EU countries was the last straw for UK citizens]
However the Referendum, having been erroneously [IMO] given, there is a constitutional necessity to see, yet another "worm in the woodwork", resolved without further impingement derailing the targets set, to emerge from dept within half the time originally forecasted.

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